Does this mean the FBI is after us? (self.reddit.com)
submitted 5 days ago by khaledthegypsy
Me and my friend went to the mechanic today and we found this on his car. http://imgur.com/OM6nE.jpg i am pretty confident it is a tracking device by the FBI but my friend's roommates think it is a bomb..any thoughts?
Edit 1:I should also clarify that the FBI had interest in my friend since his father passed away, as he was a religious leader and they've made attempts at contacting my friend to spew racist questions. Edit 2: i shouldve been more clear when clarifying but religious muslim leader...and i am an ent! : ) but it was my friend's car and he doesn't reddit. My plan was to just put the device on another car or in a lake, but when you come home to 2 stoned off their asses people who are hearing things in the device and convinced its a bomb you just gotta be sure. Edit 3: MORE PICTURES!! http://imgur.com/sspLU.jpg http://imgur.com/f4V2T.jpg http://imgur.com/srhrK.jpg *edit 4: people keep repeating some posts so i will address the more frequently asked questions here... The device was found near the exhaust but further in, my friend's father was a muslim religious leader, it is not an ex girlfriend that placed the device on his car nor some random other employer or such. he bought the car a little under a year ago and it wasnt there for sure then. * Last EDIT!! I am doing another post because the story has many new developments, hopefully within a few hours.
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jeanmarcp 2122 points2123 points2124 points 5 days ago[+] (1014 children)
jeanmarcp 2122 points2123 points2124 points 5 days ago[-]
It's a Guardian ST820. It's a GPS tracking unit made by the company Cobham, the product line is called Orion. The redditor who said that the battery and magnetic unit is hand made is wrong, you've got the standard kit, it is sold like that by Cobham. Sales is restricted to army and law enforcement. TL;DR : yes, FBI or Police is after you.
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alfadark 296 points297 points298 points 4 days ago[+] (356 children)
alfadark 296 points297 points298 points 4 days ago[-]
Is it legal for the police/FBI to track anyone they feel like in the U.S.?
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AttackTribble 580 points581 points582 points 4 days ago* [+] (269 children)
AttackTribble 580 points581 points582 points 4 days ago* [-]
Unfortunately, yes. It was recently ruled that if your car's in your driveway, it's in a public place and the police can put any kind of tracking device they like on it. Welcome to the free world.
Edit: Added a frakkin' link, after getting fed up of being asked for one by people who didn't look at all the links in the other comments:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2013150,00.html
As people have said, it's currently limited to 9th circuit, and will almost certainly end up being challenged in the supreme court.
Edit 2: Found a relevant link (thanks runningraleigh): http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/05/opinion/05tue2.html?ref=opinion
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alfadark 367 points368 points369 points 4 days ago[+] (64 children)
alfadark 367 points368 points369 points 4 days ago[-]
That's more than a little terrifying.
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reodd 124 points125 points126 points 4 days ago[+] (51 children)
reodd 124 points125 points126 points 4 days ago[-]
Which is why you park your cars in the garage.
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beatles910 265 points266 points267 points 4 days ago[+] (26 children)
beatles910 265 points266 points267 points 4 days ago[-]
What if my grocery store doesn't have a garage?
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djymm 165 points166 points167 points 4 days ago[+] (15 children)
djymm 165 points166 points167 points 4 days ago[-]
You could walk to the grocery store, but then the feds would think you're an eco-terrorist and confiscate all your stuff.
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The_TWAT_Team 23 points24 points25 points 4 days ago[+] (4 children)
The_TWAT_Team 23 points24 points25 points 4 days ago[-]
"He had raw cane sugar, a known incendiary..."
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aafarr2 84 points85 points86 points 4 days ago[+] (42 children)
aafarr2 84 points85 points86 points 4 days ago[-]
Would it then technically be illegal to remove it?
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exlex 182 points183 points184 points 4 days ago[+] (9 children)
exlex 182 points183 points184 points 4 days ago[-]
It is a gift!
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TexasWithADollarsign 103 points104 points105 points 4 days ago[+] (9 children)
TexasWithADollarsign 103 points104 points105 points 4 days ago[-]
Illegal or no, that thing's going in a river.
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cinematix 50 points51 points52 points 4 days ago[+] (5 children)
cinematix 50 points51 points52 points 4 days ago[-]
Illegal or no, that thing's going on a riverboat.
FTFY
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WalterPeck 64 points65 points66 points 4 days ago[+] (1 child)
WalterPeck 64 points65 points66 points 4 days ago[-]
Nice try, Huckleberry Finn.
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AngryData 32 points33 points34 points 4 days ago[+] (1 child)
AngryData 32 points33 points34 points 4 days ago[-]
No.
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DrakeBishoff 188 points189 points190 points 4 days ago[+] (49 children)
DrakeBishoff 188 points189 points190 points 4 days ago[-]
Yes, the new ruling is that a warrant is not needed. Before you needed a warrant, like prove to the judge you had some vague reason to be tracking your movements and not just because of a hunch or because of your race or religion. Now police can track you just for kicks, or more likely as a wide net fishing expedition. Track enough muslims and eventually you'll find one or two that is involved in drugs, gambling, prostitution or petty theft. Then you can have a big press conference to announce arrests and justify the erosion of rights.
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txmslm 88 points89 points90 points 4 days ago[+] (33 children)
txmslm 88 points89 points90 points 4 days ago[-]
In practice they don't arrest a Muslim for drugs and crime. Once they find such a guy, they lean on him, try to turn him into some kind of agent provocateur. I remember a few years ago, a guy I know went to jail for visiting a shooting range with a turned FBI informant. He didn't realize that his immigration status meant it was a crime for him to even pick up a gun. He was convicted of "alien in possession of a firearm" and was sentenced to 5 years, after which he'll be deported. All for going to a shooting range with someone the FBI leaned on.
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dirtyd0ggy 25 points26 points27 points 4 days ago* [+] (19 children)
dirtyd0ggy 25 points26 points27 points 4 days ago* [-]
It's forbidden for immigrants to go shooting in shooting range? Motherfucking hell! I used to go shooting every month while I was in US on work visa. I am getting the goose pimples now thinking how narrowly I avoided being arrested for something I was sure it was OK. For sure, I would have killed myself rather than the agony and humiliation of being in prison for 5 years.
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AttackTribble 25 points26 points27 points 4 days ago[+] (14 children)
AttackTribble 25 points26 points27 points 4 days ago[-]
It's probably ignored unless they're interested in you for something else.
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LuxNocte 41 points42 points43 points 4 days ago[+] (13 children)
LuxNocte 41 points42 points43 points 4 days ago[-]
interested in you for something else.
Like being a Muslim, or consorting with known Muslims.
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DrakeBishoff 10 points11 points12 points 4 days ago* [+] (4 children)
DrakeBishoff 10 points11 points12 points 4 days ago* [-]
What on earth? Non-citizens aren't allowed to keep and bear arms? I thought it was the right of the people, not the right of the citizens. They are different categories. If the 2nd amendment meant to be citizens only it would have said so. Very strange.
edit: Apparently non-immigrant aliens only.
Hunting, diplomats and competitive sports are exceptions.
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sassy_chassis 27 points28 points29 points 4 days ago[+] (5 children)
sassy_chassis 27 points28 points29 points 4 days ago[-]
Unless of course you are wealthy enough to live behind gates. THEN that's considered private property ...
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darkmodem 233 points234 points235 points 4 days ago[+] (58 children)
darkmodem 233 points234 points235 points 4 days ago[-]
It's not supposed to be, but the courts have decided that if your car is in a public place it cannot expect any privacy so slapping a transmitter on during this time is OK.
This court ruling has a pretty good chance of being overturned because it is a gross violation of the 4th amendment.
If it doesn't get overturned then we're pretty much fucked.
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MarvinMarks 87 points88 points89 points 4 days ago[+] (32 children)
MarvinMarks 87 points88 points89 points 4 days ago[-]
That seems absolutely insane to me. Can regular citizens put tracking devices on other citizen's cars - or is this only something police are allowed to do?
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garage333 179 points180 points181 points 4 days ago[+] (22 children)
garage333 179 points180 points181 points 4 days ago[-]
can regular citizens put tracking devices on law enforcement vehicles?
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synoptyc 130 points131 points132 points 4 days ago[+] (14 children)
synoptyc 130 points131 points132 points 4 days ago[-]
Maybe that's exactly what he should do with it.
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Introvert 279 points280 points281 points 4 days ago[+] (11 children)
Introvert 279 points280 points281 points 4 days ago[-]
The signal is coming from inside the car!
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IConrad 11 points12 points13 points 4 days ago[+] (0 children)
IConrad 11 points12 points13 points 4 days ago[-]
Drop it off at the local FBI's headquarters with a note written in Brainfuck that says "I think you dropped this."
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darkmodem 46 points47 points48 points 4 days ago[+] (1 child)
darkmodem 46 points47 points48 points 4 days ago[-]
Strangely the best information came from divorcenet: http://www.divorcenet.com/states/new_jersey/spying_on_your_spouse
Basically if you own or partially own the vehicle it's 100% OK. Otherwise no.
The courts have given the cops too much power in this case, but it will likely be overturned.
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Hubris2 17 points18 points19 points 4 days ago[+] (4 children)
Hubris2 17 points18 points19 points 4 days ago[-]
So is a police lot considered a public place? A regular member of the public could go put a tracker on a police car, use it to monitor how fast it's travelling and correlate that with whether it was involved in a call at the time...monitor how long was spent stopped on breaks etc?
What, you mean the police would object to being monitored?
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andyougetanupvote 33 points34 points35 points 4 days ago[+] (3 children)
andyougetanupvote 33 points34 points35 points 4 days ago[-]
"probable cause" is as nebulous as the universe.
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5-4-3-2-1-bang 693 points694 points695 points 4 days ago[+] (349 children)
5-4-3-2-1-bang 693 points694 points695 points 4 days ago[-]
Why the hell is it so damn big?? That looks like a GPS tracker from 1992.
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cptskippy 283 points284 points285 points 4 days ago[+] (28 children)
cptskippy 283 points284 points285 points 4 days ago[-]
Because it was built for performance and durability and not to make roadkill envious. The large cylinder that looks like a Maglite is a battery pack that will power the thing for weeks.
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efapathy 131 points132 points133 points 4 days ago[+] (14 children)
efapathy 131 points132 points133 points 4 days ago[-]
uhhh the fact it's only weeks makes it slightly more creepy
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cptskippy 55 points56 points57 points 4 days ago[+] (12 children)
cptskippy 55 points56 points57 points 4 days ago[-]
slightly more creepy
How so?
I really have no idea how long it would last.
I found a product sheet (.doc) that lists 4 x D cell high density lithium battery packs and quad band cellular antennas. That sounds about right looking at the pictures.
According to this a single li D cell is about 7500 mAh so that's 30000 mAh. Most simple cellular phones have a 700-1000 mAh battery that gets 3-5 hrs talk time so that would be 6.25 days of continuous usage but I'm sure it goes into a low power sleep and only wakes up occasionally to transmit location data. Or it might log GPS location continuously and then wake up once a day or every couple hours and just upload a data set. Either way I would estimate that it would work for at least a week if not a month or two.
Then again I just pulled all of that out of my ass, this is a government vendor we're talking about so it might only last 45 mins and be one time use.
*edited for formatting.
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efapathy 31 points32 points33 points 4 days ago[+] (5 children)
efapathy 31 points32 points33 points 4 days ago[-]
because if they had attached it to his car to track his father, and the father has passed away more than a few weeks ago, it means they attached it to his car in order to track him. and that... sucks
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its_curtains_for_you 37 points38 points39 points 4 days ago[+] (2 children)
its_curtains_for_you 37 points38 points39 points 4 days ago[-]
...or they didn't come by to retrieve it after the battery died, and in fact nobody is tracking anybody anymore.
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Hat-Trick 18 points19 points20 points 4 days ago[+] (0 children)
Hat-Trick 18 points19 points20 points 4 days ago[-]
*looks at username* Yeah... lulling him into a false sense of security, I see how it is.
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mikeramey1 720 points721 points722 points 4 days ago[+] (298 children)
mikeramey1 720 points721 points722 points 4 days ago[-]
It's bigger than Zach Morris's telephone.
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bloodwire 788 points789 points790 points 4 days ago[+] (288 children)
bloodwire 788 points789 points790 points 4 days ago[-]
Why don't you just ship it to me by mail, I live in Northern Norway. I'll attach it to my bike, letting the feds see me biking of too work every morning could be fun.
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rus_reddit 605 points606 points607 points 4 days ago[+] (245 children)
rus_reddit 605 points606 points607 points 4 days ago[-]
Better yet, we should set up a chain of people to ship it to. So to Norway, then North Dakota, then Sydney Australia, South Africa, Argentina, Chilean Mine, Washington DC, Marseilles, Dublin, Somalia, Mongolia.
Any Redditors in Mongolia?
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Pake1000 761 points762 points763 points 4 days ago[+] (27 children)
Pake1000 761 points762 points763 points 4 days ago[-]
Slap it under a police car and make them wonder why the hell their GPS keeps showing up at crime scenes.
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jay456 94 points95 points96 points 4 days ago[+] (7 children)
jay456 94 points95 points96 points 4 days ago[-]
That'd be risky to try... But if you have the balls, that'd be pretty funny..
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SisterGoldenHair 42 points43 points44 points 4 days ago[+] (2 children)
SisterGoldenHair 42 points43 points44 points 4 days ago[-]
a car parked in public has no expectation of privacy, right ?
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marriage_iguana 712 points713 points714 points 4 days ago[+] (10 children)
marriage_iguana 712 points713 points714 points 4 days ago[-]
Can I borrow it for my band? We could use a crowd member or two. I don't give a fuck if it's the cops.
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Shirley_Not_Serious 83 points84 points85 points 4 days ago[+] (6 children)
Shirley_Not_Serious 83 points84 points85 points 4 days ago[-]
The cops are gonna be there? Sorry man something suddenly came up, I'm not gonna be able to make it.
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deadspider187 229 points230 points231 points 4 days ago[+] (126 children)
deadspider187 229 points230 points231 points 4 days ago[-]
Then send them clues ala "carmen sandiego"
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valerogg 620 points621 points622 points 4 days ago* [+] (121 children)
valerogg 620 points621 points622 points 4 days ago* [-]
I say we send it to France, Uganda, Cambodia, Kazakhstan, Yemen, Oceana, United Kingdom, Fiji, Estonia, Denmark, and Somalia. See if they can figure that out.
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FurryTractor 207 points208 points209 points 4 days ago[+] (68 children)
FurryTractor 207 points208 points209 points 4 days ago[-]
They might figure it out. There was that other guy who mailed pipebombs to people to make a smiley face on a map on the news.
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jackyface 185 points186 points187 points 4 days ago[+] (43 children)
jackyface 185 points186 points187 points 4 days ago[-]
Was it Tyler Durden?
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ironpancakes 85 points86 points87 points 4 days ago[+] (24 children)
ironpancakes 85 points86 points87 points 4 days ago[-]
you should probably edit out those serial numbers in the pics you posted...
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Snoron 76 points77 points78 points 4 days ago[+] (22 children)
Snoron 76 points77 points78 points 4 days ago[-]
Honestly I'd say there's a very good chance that whoever put that there has already seen this thread and knows exactly which person they are referring to anyway. Sending it around the world isn't gonna do anything seeing as they most likely already know the device has been compromised.
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darceee 95 points96 points97 points 4 days ago[+] (2 children)
darceee 95 points96 points97 points 4 days ago[-]
I think there's no better mindfuck than sending it down that Chilean mine.
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elpabl0 26 points27 points28 points 4 days ago[+] (2 children)
elpabl0 26 points27 points28 points 4 days ago[-]
My office is right by the MI5 building in London. Ship it here and see how quickly we get raided....
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MeridianJP 87 points88 points89 points 4 days ago[+] (7 children)
MeridianJP 87 points88 points89 points 4 days ago[-]
Then ship it to me in Japan. The feds can track me visiting some depraved club in Roppongi.
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thePrezofMadagascar 52 points53 points54 points 4 days ago[+] (2 children)
thePrezofMadagascar 52 points53 points54 points 4 days ago[-]
I love this Idea so much.
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ImaLamer 22 points23 points24 points 4 days ago[+] (2 children)
ImaLamer 22 points23 points24 points 4 days ago[-]
I think shipping via traditional means is a horrible idea, it will be too obvious if they see the paths and routes (why is your car on the airport tarmac? They will know the mission is over).
Instead drive it to a redditor, and continue. Maybe... oh this is a good one... take it to (or get it to) the Rally to Restore Sanity and exchange it with a redditor. Not only being in DC will make them flip out, but then when you get there and meet up with a (predetermined) redditor who can get it on a ship to Europe (or better, Africa, Cuba, Venezuela) lulz will ensue.
Then again - eBay's always an option if you don't want to hack it.
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varjag 30 points31 points32 points 4 days ago[+] (1 child)
varjag 30 points31 points32 points 4 days ago[-]
you don't want to recharge the thing every day
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Mnementh2230 9 points10 points11 points 4 days ago[+] (0 children)
Mnementh2230 9 points10 points11 points 4 days ago[-]
Most of that is probably batteries.
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KreamyNougat 32 points33 points34 points 4 days ago[+] (1 child)
KreamyNougat 32 points33 points34 points 4 days ago[-]
likely so it remain connected while parked in underground parking lots or through tunnels.
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netcrusher88 136 points137 points138 points 4 days ago[+] (16 children)
netcrusher88 136 points137 points138 points 4 days ago[-]
Curiously, the FCC ID on it appears to belong to a cell credit card processor.
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darkmodem 93 points94 points95 points 4 days ago[+] (0 children)
darkmodem 93 points94 points95 points 4 days ago[-]
Somebody has to be billed for the cell tracking.
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KreamyNougat 377 points378 points379 points 4 days ago[+] (234 children)
KreamyNougat 377 points378 points379 points 4 days ago[-]
This is where you ship it to random mexican or Canadian address. Ground ship only Fed ex would work best because if they air ship it they will know. I would love to see the FBI shit a brick when they suspect you fled the country on false pretenses. Since you should be able to prove otherwise it would make the evidence gathered suspect. You could argue you don't know when it was removed or how it got to Canada and would have an alibi as to your where abouts in the states.
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gamer_chick 578 points579 points580 points 4 days ago[+] (118 children)
gamer_chick 578 points579 points580 points 4 days ago[-]
This is where you call up your local media and present the question, "Why is the FBI wasting taxpayer dollars by following me?" This is bullshit.
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lolbacon 564 points565 points566 points 4 days ago[+] (33 children)
lolbacon 564 points565 points566 points 4 days ago[-]
Until they find out he's Muslim and then the story becomes "Police use high tech surveillance to foil terror plot. Billions of lives saved."
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wankerbot 157 points158 points159 points 4 days ago* [+] (28 children)
wankerbot 157 points158 points159 points 4 days ago* [-]
0.7 Trillion lives saved.
FTFY
edit; that's a whole-lotta upboats for a math typo.
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Gericaux 272 points273 points274 points 4 days ago[+] (15 children)
Gericaux 272 points273 points274 points 4 days ago[-]
0.83 picahitlers avoided
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gizmo1024 [!] 183 points184 points185 points 4 days ago[+] (8 children)
gizmo1024 [!] 183 points184 points185 points 4 days ago[-]
Picahitler?
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GeneralKang 44 points45 points46 points 4 days ago[+] (2 children)
GeneralKang 44 points45 points46 points 4 days ago[-]
"PPPPIIIIKKKAAA-JEWWWW!!!"
I'm sorry, I had too. I officially apologize to any hebrews who didn't find it funny.
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eoin2000 36 points37 points38 points 4 days ago[+] (7 children)
eoin2000 36 points37 points38 points 4 days ago[-]
0.007 Trillion lives saved
FTFY
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citricsquid 107 points108 points109 points 4 days ago[+] (6 children)
citricsquid 107 points108 points109 points 4 days ago[-]
0.7 Trillion spent, 0 lives saved.
FTFY
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mnky9800n 71 points72 points73 points 4 days ago[+] (7 children)
mnky9800n 71 points72 points73 points 4 days ago[-]
Except now he has talked about it on the internet about how he removed it.
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3brushie 28 points29 points30 points 4 days ago[+] (8 children)
3brushie 28 points29 points30 points 4 days ago[-]
Wouldn't any competent group attempting to get information on you check your house as soon as they know you're over a hundred miles away?
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devolute 59 points60 points61 points 4 days ago[+] (1 child)
devolute 59 points60 points61 points 4 days ago[-]
competent
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hambob 48 points49 points50 points 4 days ago[+] (14 children)
hambob 48 points49 points50 points 4 days ago[-]
No, this is where you ship it to another redditor accross the country, who then ships it to another redditor, and another and another....
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alliekins 129 points130 points131 points 4 days ago[+] (5 children)
alliekins 129 points130 points131 points 4 days ago[-]
Put it in a geocache with a Travel Bug, then you can track the FBI's tracker! Yo dawg...
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redonculous 11 points12 points13 points 4 days ago[+] (3 children)
redonculous 11 points12 points13 points 4 days ago[-]
I like this idea! Ship it to me, in England. I'll ship it to a friend, in Pakistan :D
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catfightonahotdog 47 points48 points49 points 4 days ago[+] (1 child)
catfightonahotdog 47 points48 points49 points 4 days ago[-]
Put it in the car to a rollercoster. They'll be very very confused.
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dadthinksmomsaslut 26 points27 points28 points 4 days ago[+] (16 children)
dadthinksmomsaslut 26 points27 points28 points 4 days ago[-]
If you shipped that thing someone might think it's a bomb that he sent. plus his fingerprints are on it. also i'm willing to bet if that thing wasn't returned in working order the FBI would charge a few thousand if not jail or prison time. best bet is to speak to a lawyer about what to do
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KreamyNougat 79 points80 points81 points 4 days ago[+] (10 children)
KreamyNougat 79 points80 points81 points 4 days ago[-]
If they can charge you for tampering with an abandon peice of equipment placed without a warrent then the laws in the states are more f'ed up then I thought
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Bgibbs 20 points21 points22 points 4 days ago[+] (1 child)
Bgibbs 20 points21 points22 points 4 days ago[-]
You're right, my mom works for the FBI, in this particular area oddly enough. She said that is definitely old but it's more than likely them since they almost never update equipment until they have too. I was watching the Informant! with her and the old tape recorder thing in the briefcase they had in that movie came on and she said "We JUST got rid of those things."
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shadow1515 10 points11 points12 points 4 days ago[+] (6 children)
shadow1515 10 points11 points12 points 4 days ago[-]
Is there something I could buy that would detect the signals this thing is sending/receiving, so I would be aware of it even if I didn't actually see the thing like OP did?
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darkmodem 1008 points1009 points1010 points 5 days ago[+] (54 children)
darkmodem 1008 points1009 points1010 points 5 days ago[-]
Where on the car did you find it?
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michaelandsara 61 points62 points63 points 4 days ago* [+] (8 children)
michaelandsara 61 points62 points63 points 4 days ago* [-]
I placed tons of these on cars when I worked as a private investigator. They can be anywhere that there is enough metal for the magnets to get a good hold. There were some rules of thumb about placement so that the signal was strongest, but in my experience I could put it anywhere under the car and it would work just fine. I don't know what signal it worked on, but ours just used a regular cell carrier (T-Mobile in our case) to send the data to a server. If it was out of range, it just saved up the information and sent it all as soon as it got a decent cell connection.
They can be placed so that they are hard to find, but if you are actively looking for it, you shouldn't have any trouble finding it.
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jonp 52 points53 points54 points 4 days ago[+] (5 children)
jonp 52 points53 points54 points 4 days ago[-]
Attach it to a truck from a pig farm. They'll get the message.
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genesayssitdown 650 points651 points652 points 5 days ago[+] (380 children)
genesayssitdown 650 points651 points652 points 5 days ago[-]
i've been following this, the us court of appeals 9th district effectively ruled recently that law enforcement is totally within their rights to stick tracking devices on anyone's car, even in their driveways, so long as they are not breaking into garages. without any warrant. i wrote an article about it here.
even though the precedent was only set up in the 9th district of the appeals court jurisdiction, i speculated that law enforcement agencies might try this all over the country.
i just thought i'd throw this out there, it really should be enough to make anyone paranoid.
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greenwizard 523 points524 points525 points 5 days ago[+] (64 children)
greenwizard 523 points524 points525 points 5 days ago[-]
also known as the "privacy is for rich people" decision.
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genesayssitdown 333 points334 points335 points 5 days ago[+] (8 children)
genesayssitdown 333 points334 points335 points 5 days ago[-]
they've gotta stop naming decisions that
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sculptedpixels 130 points131 points132 points 5 days ago[+] (114 children)
sculptedpixels 130 points131 points132 points 5 days ago[-]
I wonder how the courts would rule on disposal of said device by intended target.
I'm sure, in this f'd up world, finding something like this and destroying it probably means the police/fbi/nsa/big-gubment could probably charge you for it as destruction of government property - charge as in $ and litigation.
But perhaps it's the other way 'round - they can stick stuff to your ride, but you're free to act on it as 'found property' or as the right to defend your privacy.
It could easily be a jealous lover who's contracted a PI or some other goofy shit. So many possibilities, but few of them happy...
I say: EBAY. Er, LAWYER, then EBAY.
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Carnifex 417 points418 points419 points 5 days ago[+] (11 children)
Carnifex 417 points418 points419 points 5 days ago[-]
there was a similar story in germany where the BKA (kinda like the FBI) planted some tracking device on a left wing activists car. he removed the thing and his lawyer asked the police, the bka and everybody who might do something like this if it was their device. everybody denied it.
then they tried to sell the device, and suddenly the BKA accused them of theft. a court decided that they may sell the device since the BKA denied that it belongs to them ;)
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z3ddicus 148 points149 points150 points 4 days ago[+] (4 children)
z3ddicus 148 points149 points150 points 4 days ago[-]
Don't count on that level of lucidity in a decision made by a U.S. court.
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genesayssitdown 92 points93 points94 points 5 days ago[+] (2 children)
genesayssitdown 92 points93 points94 points 5 days ago[-]
that is amazing
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locuester 49 points50 points51 points 5 days ago[+] (37 children)
locuester 49 points50 points51 points 5 days ago[-]
During my divorce, I was told that if I found one I should stick it on a UPS or FedEx truck. The logic being that they couldn't prove when the transfer took place, and that truck would drive all over the place.
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CrayolaS7 61 points62 points63 points 5 days ago[+] (20 children)
CrayolaS7 61 points62 points63 points 5 days ago[-]
Or just take use your own stealth and attach it to a police car.
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z3ddicus 47 points48 points49 points 4 days ago[+] (13 children)
z3ddicus 47 points48 points49 points 4 days ago[-]
Very dangerous suggestion.
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fox_wesley 132 points133 points134 points 4 days ago[+] (10 children)
fox_wesley 132 points133 points134 points 4 days ago[-]
As long as the car isn't parked in a garage, seems pretty legal...
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smpx 23 points24 points25 points 4 days ago[+] (3 children)
smpx 23 points24 points25 points 4 days ago[-]
Why is there this funny idea that legalities have anything to do with policemen?
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pedleyr 80 points81 points82 points 5 days ago[+] (38 children)
pedleyr 80 points81 points82 points 5 days ago[-]
I'd just go to the nearest FBI office and give it to them, saying "I found something that belongs to you."
The reasoning being twofold: to let them know you're onto their bullshit and that you're not scared or intimidated by it.
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zombiegirl2010 112 points113 points114 points 4 days ago[+] (31 children)
zombiegirl2010 112 points113 points114 points 4 days ago[-]
Eh, I'd just mail it to them. The mailing process would fuck them up...tracking it all the way to there office, lol...and then they get it in a box....lmfao
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Yangin-Atep 20 points21 points22 points 4 days ago[+] (11 children)
Yangin-Atep 20 points21 points22 points 4 days ago[-]
What's in the box?!
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dnm 12 points13 points14 points 4 days ago[+] (1 child)
dnm 12 points13 points14 points 4 days ago[-]
It would be pretty entertaining to watch them x-ray that package in the mail room.
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khaledthegypsy [S] 257 points258 points259 points 5 days ago[+] (106 children)
khaledthegypsy [S] 257 points258 points259 points 5 days ago[-]
that's interesting that anywhere as long as it isn't breaking in because my friend doesnt know when it was put on but he thinks it may have been when his car was briefly impounded as a lady told him when he was picking up the car "what did you do?! right after this car came in 2 FBI agents went to go check it out." but that was like 3 months ago
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genesayssitdown 107 points108 points109 points 5 days ago[+] (86 children)
genesayssitdown 107 points108 points109 points 5 days ago[-]
yeah, that's fucked up. my guess is eventually this will go to the supreme court and get turned down, but in the meantime, law enforcement agencies are gonna go crazy with this. it's easier and cheaper than stake outs and tailing people!
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sirukin 151 points152 points153 points 5 days ago[+] (79 children)
sirukin 151 points152 points153 points 5 days ago[-]
FBI agent opsec fail.
Who are these idiots? Shouldn't planting a tracking device be covert in nature?
That'd mean doing your very best not to alert the person you're tracking that they're being tracked.
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genesayssitdown 171 points172 points173 points 5 days ago[+] (77 children)
genesayssitdown 171 points172 points173 points 5 days ago[-]
unless you are purposefully trying to intimidate them.
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tantric_fart 85 points86 points87 points 5 days ago[+] (42 children)
tantric_fart 85 points86 points87 points 5 days ago[-]
By the logic they employ with this ruling, why can't they put tracking devices on my clothing, coat, etc. when I am in public and have 'no reasonable expectation of privacy? Hang your coat up at a restaurant and they have a right to bug it and me?
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genesayssitdown 124 points125 points126 points 5 days ago[+] (19 children)
genesayssitdown 124 points125 points126 points 5 days ago[-]
that seems to be the next logical step with this reasoning, yeah.
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bdubble 46 points47 points48 points 4 days ago[+] (3 children)
bdubble 46 points47 points48 points 4 days ago[-]
Everyone is assuming they don't have a warrant.
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AndorianBlues 25 points26 points27 points 5 days ago[+] (10 children)
AndorianBlues 25 points26 points27 points 5 days ago[-]
Do citizens conversely have the right to remove the device, and, I don't know, put it in the garage for the time being?
Or, can't you just play dumb, go to the police, and hand it over to them saying "I found this weird shit on my car, whoever owns it probably wants it back!"
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genesayssitdown 120 points121 points122 points 5 days ago[+] (8 children)
genesayssitdown 120 points121 points122 points 5 days ago[-]
with many municipal police agencies at odds with federal police, it might even be fun to file a report at the police station, have a detective look into it.
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Sunhawk 43 points44 points45 points 4 days ago[+] (4 children)
Sunhawk 43 points44 points45 points 4 days ago[-]
Actually, this could be a fun thing to do.
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creaothceann 34 points35 points36 points 4 days ago[+] (2 children)
creaothceann 34 points35 points36 points 4 days ago[-]
I'd put it on the car of a lawyer. Let's see how he deals with them. :)
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crusoe 1130 points1131 points1132 points 4 days ago[+] (92 children)
crusoe 1130 points1131 points1132 points 4 days ago[-]
DO NOT DESTROY OR MISPLACE THIS.
It is likely that doing so could lead to future charges, such as "Tampering with an Investigation"
Contact a lawyer ASAP, have them contact the local PD / FBI, and say "My client, while cleaning his car, found a GPS tracker attached to his vehicle. We are returning this to you as a courtesy, but if you wish to interview my client in person, you may only do so with me present."
A lawyer will give you the best idea of what to do going forward. DO NOT DESTROY, or SELL IT. It could likely lead to charges since it is govt property.
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President_Camacho 194 points195 points196 points 4 days ago[+] (21 children)
President_Camacho 194 points195 points196 points 4 days ago[-]
I wish this could be at the top of the thread. By your account and that of your friend, you are interfering with a local, state, or federal investigation by removing this device. Furthermore, transporting it outside of its intended use will create data that affects the admissible validity of data it collected prior to its removal. Finally, removing the tracker could be construed as theft of gov't property. There are multiple charges possible here, from very vague to very specific. What you might be charged with is totally at the discretion of the law enforcement. Make nice fast; they'll charge you with more things if you piss them off. They'll even create charges out of thin air, simply to increase the legal costs of fighting them.
Get this thing to the most respected, responsible lawyer in your state or region. An older person, preferably with his name on the firm. This person should have credible relationships which will blunt any pursuit of you and your friend. Spend any amount of money at the outset, you might be able to make this go away quickly. By dragging it out, you'll be penniless and convicted over the long term.
Repeat, get the most respected lawyer in your community to handle this. Maybe the president of the local bar association? Maybe a retired criminal judge? Former prosecutor? The law enforcement community needs to know the guy you choose. This is critical, because your lawyer's credibility will help protect you.
DO NOT WAIT FOR MORE REDDIT COMMENTS. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DAYS OF YOUR LIFE. A FREIGHT TRAIN OF WHUP-ASS IS HEADED YOUR WAY.
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ZenRage 44 points45 points46 points 4 days ago[+] (4 children)
ZenRage 44 points45 points46 points 4 days ago[-]
I agree that it's time to lawyer up big time. I would also agree that you shouldn't do anything with it other than preserve it until you get legal counsel.
I'm not so sure that I'd agree with the argument that you are interfering with an investigation. That would require a finding that a person is required to not touch, remove, or photograph an unknown and suspicious electronic device attached to their property without their permission. I think that's a stretch...
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capriceragtop 11 points12 points13 points 4 days ago[+] (3 children)
capriceragtop 11 points12 points13 points 4 days ago[-]
This needs to be much farther up.
They'd love to jump on OP for destruction of property. Sounds like he's already a "person of interest." Why give law enforcement the tools they need to harass you further?
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jesuswantsbrains 139 points140 points141 points 5 days ago[+] (3 children)
jesuswantsbrains 139 points140 points141 points 5 days ago[-]
Man, you better post a follow up on this!
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Snakks 36 points37 points38 points 4 days ago[+] (0 children)
Snakks 36 points37 points38 points 4 days ago[-]
"In secret prison outside of USA, HELP REDDIT!"
And then we totally fucking do.
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firewires 182 points183 points184 points 5 days ago[+] (7 children)
firewires 182 points183 points184 points 5 days ago[-]
Its for good luck. Pass it on by sticking it to another car!
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orange_kevin 11 points12 points13 points 4 days ago[+] (0 children)
orange_kevin 11 points12 points13 points 4 days ago[-]
YES! A giant game of car tracker tag!
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caffeined 364 points365 points366 points 4 days ago[+] (8 children)
caffeined 364 points365 points366 points 4 days ago[-]
I think the big question here is "Will it blend?"™
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Leopardbluff 215 points216 points217 points 5 days ago[+] (19 children)
Leopardbluff 215 points216 points217 points 5 days ago[-]
hello FBI ; )
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PositiveDude 167 points168 points169 points 5 days ago[+] (9 children)
PositiveDude 167 points168 points169 points 5 days ago[-]
Dear FBI,
if you read this, consider the sympathy Leopardbluff shows towards your institution. Now consider how you make people like the OP and his friends feel, how you make them live in fear of bombs randomly attached to their cars, how you make their life harder.
You know it's very uncivil and Leopardbluff knows it too, but still he is friendly, because that's the way to go. Maybe you should be friendly too, in order to let the world become a more peaceful place.
Yours faithfully,
someone who wants more love :)
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JoshinTaiwan 21 points22 points23 points 4 days ago[+] (4 children)
JoshinTaiwan 21 points22 points23 points 4 days ago[-]
Hugs all around.
Unless I end up with a tracking device up my ass somehow...
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PositiveDude 54 points55 points56 points 4 days ago[+] (1 child)
PositiveDude 54 points55 points56 points 4 days ago[-]
Well, if they'd manage sticking such a big thing in your asshole, I'm pretty sure they would track the shit out of you ;)
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VivaKnievel 237 points238 points239 points 5 days ago[+] (77 children)
VivaKnievel 237 points238 points239 points 5 days ago[-]
Iiiiit's a tracking device.
Description: 820 Endcap Kit
Contractor: COBHAM TRACKING AND LOCATIING 271 BROWNLOW AVENUE, DARTMOUTH, 07 B3B 1W6 http://www.cobhamtl.com
Edit: Just type ST820EC in the search window at the link.
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blumpkin 401 points402 points403 points 5 days ago[+] (52 children)
blumpkin 401 points402 points403 points 5 days ago[-]
Dude. It's worth like 600 bucks. Sell it and get high.
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3506 279 points280 points281 points 5 days ago[+] (37 children)
3506 279 points280 points281 points 5 days ago[-]
YES! Put it up on eBay, you'll find out pretty soon to whom it belongs ;)
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genesayssitdown 102 points103 points104 points 5 days ago[+] (3 children)
genesayssitdown 102 points103 points104 points 5 days ago[-]
yes. yes this is the best idea.
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emilevictor 96 points97 points98 points 4 days ago[+] (2 children)
emilevictor 96 points97 points98 points 4 days ago[-]
/r/ShittyAdvice --->
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calis 127 points128 points129 points 5 days ago[+] (28 children)
calis 127 points128 points129 points 5 days ago[-]
If the FBI put it on his car, I think that it was a gift and he can sell it if he wants. But then again, IANAL.
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darkmodem 100 points101 points102 points 5 days ago[+] (22 children)
darkmodem 100 points101 points102 points 5 days ago[-]
IANAL, but this is my favorite acronym.
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hardeep1singh 81 points82 points83 points 4 days ago[+] (6 children)
hardeep1singh 81 points82 points83 points 4 days ago[-]
Sounds like a name for an Apple device.
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carbonsaint 145 points146 points147 points 5 days ago[+] (5 children)
carbonsaint 145 points146 points147 points 5 days ago[-]
Or turn it into a bong.
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shanealeslie 88 points89 points90 points 4 days ago[+] (0 children)
shanealeslie 88 points89 points90 points 4 days ago[-]
I haven't smoked in years, but I'd make an exception to fire a charge through an FBI-tracker-bong.
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Ownlife 311 points312 points313 points 5 days ago[+] (37 children)
Ownlife 311 points312 points313 points 5 days ago[-]
YOU get a visit from the FBI! YOU get a visit from the FBI! EVERYBODY posting here gets a visit from the FBI!
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jck 174 points175 points176 points 4 days ago[+] (8 children)
jck 174 points175 points176 points 4 days ago[-]
slowly walks out of the thread
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Thac0 104 points105 points106 points 4 days ago[+] (6 children)
Thac0 104 points105 points106 points 4 days ago[-]
I can see it now "FBI discovers giant terrorist network known as Reddit!"
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100shadesofcrazy 529 points530 points531 points 5 days ago[+] (42 children)
100shadesofcrazy 529 points530 points531 points 5 days ago[-]
Fuck. Call the local news station. Get some real world submission karma.
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anal__rapist 394 points395 points396 points 5 days ago[+] (39 children)
anal__rapist 394 points395 points396 points 5 days ago[-]
Come on, the dude's name is Khaled. Whose side do you think the TV stations will take?
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Tokeli 507 points508 points509 points 5 days ago[+] (7 children)
Tokeli 507 points508 points509 points 5 days ago[-]
"DIRTY TERRORIST FOILS VALIANT ATTEMPT BY BRAVE AMERICAN LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS TO UNCOVER HIS PLANS TO BLOW SOMETHING UP".
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d_block 108 points109 points110 points 5 days ago[+] (11 children)
d_block 108 points109 points110 points 5 days ago[-]
Khaled? He's the best!
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KnightKrawler 100 points101 points102 points 5 days ago[+] (6 children)
KnightKrawler 100 points101 points102 points 5 days ago[-]
All he does is win.
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godspeed312 25 points26 points27 points 5 days ago[+] (7 children)
godspeed312 25 points26 points27 points 5 days ago[-]
Khaled's... all he does is win.
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Lurcho 38 points39 points40 points 5 days ago[+] (3 children)
Lurcho 38 points39 points40 points 5 days ago[-]
You'll have to do an AMA after this situation blows over. You can link back to this thread where it all started!
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TinManRC 278 points279 points280 points 5 days ago[+] (62 children)
TinManRC 278 points279 points280 points 5 days ago[-]
This is officially the most insane thing I've ever seen on Reddit.
Two things: * get your friend a lawyer * contact local news media and get this out in the open.
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khaledthegypsy [S] 161 points162 points163 points 5 days ago[+] (57 children)
khaledthegypsy [S] 161 points162 points163 points 5 days ago[-]
are there any lawyers in this field reading this, if yes please advise...
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TinManRC 406 points407 points408 points 5 days ago[+] (24 children)
TinManRC 406 points407 points408 points 5 days ago[-]
I am. My advice is that you get your friend a lawyer. Fast.
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PopcornAndPeanuts 596 points597 points598 points 4 days ago[+] (20 children)
PopcornAndPeanuts 596 points597 points598 points 4 days ago[-]
an hide your kids, hide your wife cuz they're tracin errybody out here.
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Disgod 158 points159 points160 points 5 days ago[+] (7 children)
Disgod 158 points159 points160 points 5 days ago[-]
ACLU might be better than just any old lawyer.
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darkmodem 58 points59 points60 points 5 days ago[+] (3 children)
darkmodem 58 points59 points60 points 5 days ago[-]
Better call Saul!
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sketchaboutthat 55 points56 points57 points 4 days ago[+] (2 children)
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reverendfrag4 79 points80 points81 points 5 days ago* [+] (5 children)
reverendfrag4 79 points80 points81 points 5 days ago* [-]
Joke advice: Hook the power supply back up, then mail it somewhere funny (the local FBI office, Australia, Disneyland...).
Real advice: contact the ACLU and tell them about it. This sounds like the sort of thing they'd be happy to throw lawyers at. At the very least, they'll be able to advise you on your legal rights in this kind of situation.
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kerowhack 390 points391 points392 points 5 days ago[+] (76 children)
kerowhack 390 points391 points392 points 5 days ago[-]
I would just send it back to the FBI with a pleasant note explaining that you found some of their property recently and wanted to return it, being the upright citizen that you are.
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craigske 317 points318 points319 points 5 days ago[+] (22 children)
craigske 317 points318 points319 points 5 days ago[-]
This is by far the best advice, with one small modification. He should have his lawyer return it. I'm 99% certain that this is the best course of action. The FBI already know that you know it's theirs.
Whatever you do, don't be childish about it.
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fipsut 228 points229 points230 points 4 days ago[+] (10 children)
fipsut 228 points229 points230 points 4 days ago[-]
Kerowhack is an FBI agent from the Field Equipment Reacquisition department.
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wadetype 112 points113 points114 points 4 days ago[+] (11 children)
wadetype 112 points113 points114 points 4 days ago[-]
Ejaculate on it first.
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peterjsin 29 points30 points31 points 4 days ago[+] (2 children)
peterjsin 29 points30 points31 points 4 days ago[-]
I'm surprised no one had done this already. I looked up the FCC-ID. I used
O9EQ2438F
Note I used the letter O not the number zero. Anyway, I found that it refers to a Wavecom cellular test board.
So, my guess is they used the test board to call home and upload data. That would be easier that kludging it onto a proper cell phone.
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it's a CDMA board, so it's likely they're not using a RUIM. You might get lucky though.
It'd be interesting to find out what number it's calling.
Did I mention you can connect to the board via RS-232?
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faRRek 35 points36 points37 points 4 days ago[+] (11 children)
faRRek 35 points36 points37 points 4 days ago[-]
From the GSA pricelist linked elsewhere in this thread:
426-4Q ST820BP 820 Battery Pack $382.87
426-4Q ST820-CS-1 820 Orion Tracking Subscription $861.46
426-4Q ST820TK Guardian $4,781.11
426-4Q ST820TK-SW Guardian with Software $5,259.70
(I posted this once before, but it disappeared)
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kleinbl00 230 points231 points232 points 5 days ago[+] (63 children)
kleinbl00 230 points231 points232 points 5 days ago[-]
If I were the FBI...
...I'd put that thing on your friend's car after I'd put keyloggers on every PC that he and his friends use with any regularly and after I'd tapped voice and data on all their phones.
Just, you know, to see who they called and asked about the funny thing behind the bumper.
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robeph 110 points111 points112 points 5 days ago[+] (40 children)
robeph 110 points111 points112 points 5 days ago[-]
One is completely legal to do. Others not so.
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Innominate8 89 points90 points91 points 4 days ago[+] (17 children)
Innominate8 89 points90 points91 points 4 days ago[-]
You're merely assuming there isn't a warrant.
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greenwizard 192 points193 points194 points 5 days ago[+] (7 children)
greenwizard 192 points193 points194 points 5 days ago[-]
You're funny.
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StretchinAZ 258 points259 points260 points 4 days ago[+] (6 children)
StretchinAZ 258 points259 points260 points 4 days ago[-]
He's cute. He thinks he has rights.
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LoveOneAnother 56 points57 points58 points 4 days ago[+] (4 children)
LoveOneAnother 56 points57 points58 points 4 days ago[-]
Those pesky 14th amendment citizens always thinking they're 5th amendment Citizens.
Down citizen. Bad citizen.
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creaothceann 109 points110 points111 points 4 days ago[+] (3 children)
creaothceann 109 points110 points111 points 4 days ago[-]
Pick up that can.
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citricsquid 18 points19 points20 points 4 days ago[+] (1 child)
citricsquid 18 points19 points20 points 4 days ago[-]
throws
clink
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Logical1ty 82 points83 points84 points 4 days ago* [+] (2 children)
Logical1ty 82 points83 points84 points 4 days ago* [-]
You have to read this. About how the FBI is entrapping Muslims. Do not fuck with the FBI. Also, do not fall for their shit if they try to entrap you.
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khaledthegypsy [S] 100 points101 points102 points 5 days ago[+] (29 child
